he and carl evan and several others were talking about a plan that might seek to replace the defense cuts. at long last, after all the fighting, raising some taxes. is that, do you think -- is such an idea -- would that be amenable in the house? is anyone talking about it do you think? as we get closer to the fiscal cliff, do you think it might become something people would be willing to consider? >> that remains to be seen. even in the heat of the elections this november, then is the time we need to sit down and be very, very serious about dealing with sequestration. it would be disastrous for the military especially. we would go back to pre world war ii army and marine personnel. we would go back to 1915 naval ships, navy ships. and in this kind of a world that we live in, we simply cannot do that. so i think the pressure would be intense. after the election. people say, well, the election is over, let's get down to business. i think the pressure will be intense to deal with the sequestration matter. and i have noticed -- i think it is the so-called "gang of six" in the senate that